Quote Originally Posted by Balthasar View Post


My question to you is: Do you think it is all Marty's fault?
No one has said that "it is all Marty's fault."

Let Marty Rathbun and Mike Rinder answer Keith Henson's question of three years ago:

Marty... as I recall, you were there. If not part of the original project that corrupted the IRS in 1991. IIRC, you and DM marched past a startled secretary and into Fred Goldberg's office.

Wikipedia used to say:

'Allegedly, Church officials, including David Miscavige, paid private investigators to acquire some unspecified compromising information on Goldberg during his time as commissioner, and then strode into his office without an appointment one day to demand terms. The meeting was not listed on Goldberg's appointment calendar, which was obtained by the New York Times through the Freedom of Information Act.

'Leading up to that meeting was two years of work by PIs Michael L. Shomers and Thomas J. Krywucki.'

Wonder what you could fill in on what they did?

Some more background information:

Quote Originally Posted by Lermanet_com View Post


Re Mr Armstrong, As I recall - Gerry was confronted with a room full of litigants who were all desperate for the money, he was the last hold out, (and recipient of largest chuck of cash) refusing to settle, but finally succumbing to the combined pressures from desperate, broke co litigants, and exhausted lawyers. (Unless you have been in litigation with $cientology and engaged in settlement talks you really have no idea of the pressure) shamed by the money, he gave it away to charities! And refused to abide by an unconscionable agreement made under duress. Gerry decided to DO THE RIGHT THING, despite personal risk, and a sick system...and should be honored for such courage, in spite of repetitive wailings from those who would have you believe that it is more honorable, somehow, to accept money from the devil and then keep your agreement with evil.


I think most people who care about this subject would like to see Scientology Inc.'s tax exempt status revoked. Marty Rathbun and Mike Rinder could contribute to that revocation much more than they have. Perhaps they are waiting for something or, perhaps, in the words of Jesse Prince:

It is incumbent on this and every court to realize the amount of deception, chicanery, lying, manipulation, and outright criminality that Scientology will employ to hide the truth about their criminal activities. They will spend any amount of money to do this. I know because I was part of it for years. I received orders to break the law. I issued orders to break the law. I got others to break the law, and then I helped to hide those criminal activities just as they are hiding them now. In fact the tactic is one of the most coercive used in the Scientology hierarchy; to involve members in criminal acts, which then prevents the person from speaking out.

Marty Rathbun's actions regarding Gerry Armstrong reach into the Scientology deal with, and Scientology's handling of, the USA IRS. Let's get the information and, then, sort it out.

And let's have Keith Henson's question answered also.