From last night's end of conference...
John Sweeney,Mark Bunker, John McGhee and Tom Padget, followed by Jamie De Wolfe...the link above will take you to all of them.http://youtu.be/vlv6LHvalc8
And now for something completely different... a red flag...
and another red flag...
here's an interesting one, don't you think...
Kazakhstan According to the U.S. State Department's 2008 International Religious Freedom Report, Scientologists are among many minority groups facing increasingly negative media coverage in Kazakhstan. During an April 10, 2008, press conference, a spokesperson for the Kazakh government's Procurator General's Office claimed that there were approximately 1,870 religious organizations in the country that presented a threat to national security and were engaged in destructive operations, citing Scientologists as one of the examples (these statements were later removed from the press conference transcript posted on the PGO website). In 2008, parliament discussed new draft legislation which would severely restrict religious freedom. In February 2009, Interfax reported that Kazakh prosecutors were seeking liquidation of the Scientology Church in Karaganda. In a statement on its website, the Kazakh Prosecutor General's Office cited concerns over national security, as Scientologists' activity was aimed at undermining the "Kazakh nation's health through inflicting harm on people's psychic and physical health", and added that Scientologists were practising medicine outside medical institutions, and without the requisite education.
wondered why I had so many hits from that country and now I know why...
Kazakhstan: Ban on Scientology Church · Global Voices...dictatorships don't like to be taken over by other dictatorships, I believe it is called a a 'coup d'etat', much like what happened in Corfu and then again in Morocco and, and, and so on and so forth...scientologists were thrown out of both those countries, by the way and many more along the way...but Clearwater, Florida is another ball game all together...Meanwhile in Quebec...
Originally posted by mnql1 on ESMB and OCMB
Canadian senator attacks Scientology's tax exemption in Quebec
Translation of a French article published in the Saturday, May 10, 2014 edition of the daily Journal de Montréal:
En guerre contre la scientologie
At war against Scientology
by Isabelle Maher
Journal de Montréal
May 10, 2014
After TV commercials for the Church of Scientology aired on the Musique Plus specialty channel, Senator Céline Hervieux-Payette is attacking Scientology's tax status in Quebec. She does not hesitate to call the organization a cult.
"It's one thing to complain, but following through is something else," exclaims Senator Céline Hervieux-Payette, summarizing her crusade against the Church of Scientology.
Last Friday, the 73-year-old Liberal senator and former federal cabinet minister met with the senior management of Bell Media, owner of Musique Plus, to obtain assurances that commercials for the Church of Scientology will no longer be shown.
"These commercials shouldn't be presented to young people, and management promised me they will no longer accept these commercials," said the senator, who is also making the same request to Montreal's three major newspapers.
"I'm seeking a commitment on your part to reject any form of advertising for the so-called Church of Scientology. Otherwise, I reserve the right to file a complaint with Advertising Standards Canada," she writes in a letter addressed to the Journal de Montréal's management.
"Quebec needs responsible broadcasters to serve a young and impressionable audience," she adds.
Céline Hervieux-Payette insists that she will "keep an eye open" on the activities of the Church of Scientology.
A few years ago, the senator complained to the Quebec government about the questionable practices of the Narconon Trois-Rivières drug rehab center, which was connected with the Church of Scientology. Narconon Trois-Rivières was forced to close its doors in 2012.
An investigation by the Quebec Human Rights Commission has revealed that "patients" were abused and financially exploited. Narconon has been ordered to compensate its victims, and its certification was denied by the Health Ministry.
The Church of Scientology is considered a cult in countries such as France, Belgium and Germany, but is recognized as a religion in the United States, Portugal and Venezuela.
In Canada, the National Revenue Ministry hasn't granted Scientology the status of a religion, but the Quebec government does recognize it as a "church."
"We're going to put our house in order," promises the senator, who wants to have the organization's tax status reviewed.
"Scientology is not a church or a non-profit organization. It's a money-printing machine that rakes in billions of dollars. Our governments have been too lax in the way they treat it," she believes.
In Quebec, the Church of Scientology Considered is considered a church from a tax standpoint, so it can issue receipts for charitable donations and does not pay school or municipal taxes on the building it owns on Papineau Street in Montreal.
"If a thorough analysis had been done, Scientology would not have been granted the status of a church. Here is an opportunity for the Quebec government to find some of the money it is looking for," says the Liberal senator.
Flag Down Day 1...some snippets from Day 1...http://youtu.be/arcVn0EoOJE
Right, I am putting this at the top so it cannot be missed...
This evening Arnie Lerma introduced a man who is Anonymous, but someone who had spoken to Arnie 10 years previously from what I could make out, and I have read this before from Arnie. The audio started off good, but rapidly deteriorated here in East Sussex. (Hope you guys can make good on this on video)...This man claimed Lisa McPherson was bound with duct tape and put into a foot locker in the basement of the Fort Harrison Hotel...as Arnie states and something I have yet to reconcile...the autopsy photos of Lisa do not match up to statements...nor conclusions of her death.Personally, I wonder why Marty Rathbun has not mentioned this...it brings up again the deaths of Susan Meister, and my old friend Quentin and so many more unexplained deaths except in the eyes that cover these things up. It seems money buys murder of innocent human beings. The footage which was very hard to hear has been removed, but if Arnie saw fit to let the man speak I have far more faith in that than anything that comes from Marty Rathbun.
Here's the link...post #6 in this thread...
Here's another link that corresponds with what I have written above...post #58 in this thread
I am looking for a link which I can't find right now, but it will have to wait as I need to run, there is a paper I must buy.
A 20 minute bus ride and an hour and a half walk home to bring you...fortunately I got a lift most of the way home, the joys of living in the English countryside...I said, "I know you'll think I am crazy, but look what I went all this way to get" and showed them this newspaper, and one of these friends a Northerner, like myself, said "I always think it's a bit of a compliment to be called crazy". And so say all of us!
Just caught the tail end of Ray Emmons, an ex Clearwater police officer who knows plenty about scientology...
Scientology Cult of Confusion documentary interview with Marisa Sigmond (Video)
The Flag down venue has been moved for tomorrow, to the Holiday Inn, hopefully the sound will be better also.
Flag Down Day 1, Part 1: http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/47186928
(John Sweeney, Geir Isene)
Flag Down Day 1, Part 2: http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/47189247
(Chris Shelton, Arnie Lerma)
The speakers were difficult to hear, though I managed to get most of it, however the one speaker I would have loved to have heard was Arnie Lerma and sadly I could barely hear him at all, am hoping someone can make this recording more easy to listen to.
If you click one of the above links it will take you to the second day of Flag Down speakers, they being John Duignan, Russel Miller, and a brief piece by satellite by John Atack, which could not be heard however Pete assures us it will be put on video and all will be well.Also on the second day is speaker Michael Leonard Tilse, I have had trouble with this one, goes off and is inaudible at the intro, kept trying to fast forward, wasn't having any of it. Tried a little patience. It works. Interesting talk by Michael and helped me understand a little more on how people get sucked in, as a child in and out, never fully grasped how this can happen.Loved his thoughts on how scientology should finish with this generation and those titanium plates...
John, who wrote The Complex, a very good read, is a terrific writer and his speech was brilliant, so full of compassion for the children that have grown up in this dictatorial regime.
Finally found the speech by Geir Isene, I can see why John was so annoyed.I was assured there would be no freezone speakers of any kind at this conference, not sure how he classifies himself, but I would call him a scientologist. So he would do "the bridge" again, even at the cost of $250,000 - $300,000. Appears mental, comes to mind. "Even Hitler wasn't all bad" quote, as I said, appears mental.
Not quite sure the full story on Mark Bunker being evicted from Flag Down, it does seem rather strange for such a huge SP to be asked to leave the event.That also goes for Tom Smith, both of these guys have done a lot in the way of making sure the world gets to know about the abuses inside Scientology, very strange indeed, especially as Mark Bunker lives in Clear Water.
Darth Xander protesting with all the other protesters, picture by Type4 PTS.
$cientology - Democracy or Totalitarian?
Protest - Flag Down 2014
John McGhee quote " I have never seen anything so f*cking crazy in my entire life", this was in response to bus load after bus load of scientologists at Flag. You are not alone there John.
Apparently it goes back to the LMT (Lisa McPherson Trust) days when an injunction was made against some of the LMT people to prohibit them from going to certain places in Clear Water. This is and was a Scientology tactic to stop people protesting and speaking out about the abuses that go on in Scientology, in particular (at that time) the death of Lisa McPherson. What I find rather disconcerting is it appears that the injunction also applies to anyone seen acting in concert with Mark Bunker, much like the same injunction on Gerry Armstrong. Well, personally I will be damned if I will have anyone tell me who I can or cannot be in concert with. I had that in Scientology when they disconnected me from my own Father at the age of 12.
Going back some years, this might explain some of the reasons Scientology had an injunction against Mark Bunker and other parties involved in the Lisa McPherson Trust...
This is apartheid in Florida from scientologists against anti scientologists...this is what I saw aboard the Apollo...apartheid against the those who would oppose the regime. You did not oppose the regime for fear of what might happen to you. This was Hubbard's law and everyone abided by the rules. I was scared shitless and you don't make this up, this is how it really is, was in my case,that's why I detest those that know so much and will not speak out and I detest even more those that purport to be speaking out but in actual fact are saying jack shit in the grand scheme of things...and I know it doesn't do me any favours, but who the hell in their right mind wants to listen to endless abuses when the person giving the details of everyone else under the sun has an entire family history that is steeped in ritual abuse, but gives nothing away. Over to you Karen#1...I'm sure you can...but it would be anti Hubbard policy, wouldn't it?Enjoy the videos...
Scientology: Trial of the Clearwater 13 Pt. 6 Wally Pope Closing
From what I can see this goes up to about 14 parts, haven't got time right now, but you can follow these for yourself if you wish. I haven't seen all of them, but I do intend to and will add the rest later.
Despite the hiccups and the drama, well worth listening to the speakers, looking forward to the rest.
Speaking of Mark Bunker, I haven't laughed so hard in ages as I did today. I got a letter from Clear Water, Florida, inside was my SP declare...
I have been wondering about with the biggest grin on my face, all day.
Really wanted to attend this conference...sometimes fate steps in, in the best possible way...